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« on: March 26, 2005, 09:04:07 am » |
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The Midship was originally going to be Sea Camper and Sears was going to market them. That never happened. The Bob Finch designed boat went into production in Westminster, California in 1971(?) and possibly a handfull of prototypes with no serial numbers were produced. The Trail-Yacht Company sold out to the Dawson Company. This Company, who built biz jets in England set up a plant in Las Vegas, Nevada and went into production there in 1972, retaining the Midship name. Since they had no dealer network, they sold the boats directly to the public through magazine advertising. The base price including trailer was around $7500...They had a LONG option list. You ordered your boat and when it was ready, you drove to Las Vegas and picked it up. That was the plan and they built and sold maybe 200 of them, Midship 25's, in '72-'74. They then moved production to Florida and changed the name to "Dawson 26". There are few if any boats built in 1975. Production was sporatic in Florida and ceased altogether in 1979. They built maybe 130 Dawsons in Florida. Then a fellow named Capt. Parker, a New Englander, bought the molds and tooling and built one or two very fancy renditions re-named Parker Dawson 26 and promoted them heavily at boat shows. The price had ballooned to over $25,000 and the unique fiberglass inner cabin liners were not used, which saved some weight and construction cost. These boats were built at Rumery Boat Yard in Biddeford Maine, 1981-1984, something like that. Parker built maybe 15 boats, no more, before he sold the molds and tooling to someone on the west coast who never built another Midship. The total number built is less than 330, 1972-1984. The hull number progression is unbroken for Midship, Dawson, Parker-Dawson. Most were sloops, a few had ketch rigs, most are tiller steered but some have wheel steering. Many different inboard engines were used, both gas and diesel, in the 5 to 10hp range. OMC Saildrives, Petter diesels, Vire, a few others found their way into the engine compartment. They have an 1100 pound cast iron swing keel and a retractable rudder allowing easy trailering and launching and providing a 20" draft with keel and rudder up. With the keel fully lowered, you need six feet of water. A small percentage of these boats had fixed keels, making them more seaworthy but much more difficult to trailer and launch. Along the way, many of the '72-'74 Midship owners started calling their boats "Parker-Dawson 26" as they gained a foot of hull length and they liked the classy sounding name. I'm writing this from memory, my Midship 25 file is not with me now. I'll fill in the details this summer when we are in Massachusetts. I have owned a 1973 model, Costa, ID number MDS500650573 still on it's original trailer, since 1988. MDS50 065 0573 means she is #65 built in May, 1973 Costa has spent most of her days on the Sea Of Cortez in Mexico. We still use the original hanked on Hallmark sails. I'll try to answer any questions if I can..There are more pictures of Costa in the "Proud Owners" forum. Cheers & Fairwinds. Image Insert: 47.14?KB
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« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2005, 03:27:06 pm » |
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Just a bit more history. Nauset Marine on Cape Cod built at least a few boats before selling the molds to someone here in California. I had a chance to talk to the new mold owner about 10 years ago.
He had wanted a Dawson/Midship and bought and moved the molds to California. As I recall he ran a metal manufacturing company of some sort in the central valley. While the molds were in transit, he found a very nice Dawson here in Los Gatos, so did not need to build one from scratch.
I just found the name of the seller of that Dawson and will see if he is still around and might recall the name. He was a neat older gent.
We had met him while sailing with the local MacGregor Fleet from Santa Cruz to Monterey. It was my first view of such a boat.
During the next few years several were for sale in Northern California but they had the Vire, or worn out saildrives. One owner even called his engine an, "Atomic 2."
Who else out there has more info to build this history ?
Steve in San Jose
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« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2005, 05:53:47 pm » |
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I'll be on Cape Cod in a week and maybe I'll drive over to Nauset Marine and see what I can dredge up. I'm not sure they ever built a Dawson or actually had possession of the molds..There IS a bar on Rt28 called Captain Parkers...The Bombay 26 story is even less credible, but anything's possible..I got most of my information by researching old magazine articles. I know of one bonafide trans-atlantic crossing (a single handed racer, Bob Lengyel) who had beefed up the rigging and used a fixed keel, and I interviewed an older gentleman in Boulder, Colorado (Bob Barrell) who had sailed one to Tahiti with his next door neighbor. The neighbor jumped ship in the Marquesas and Bob hired a local boy to crew for him. He put the boat on a reef near Tahiti and came within a heatbeat of losing her. The boat drove up on a coral reef, got hung up by the keel which bent the locking pin so he could not remove the pin to lower the keel. A large wave pushed him over the reef with minor hull damage. He completed the journey and shipped the boat back to San Diego as deck cargo on a freighter. His neighbor who jumped ship never spoke to him again. He sold the boat on the dock in San Diego, cheap..
IMHO, the swing keel makes these boats unsuitable for serious ocean voyaging. If the keel mechanism failed in a sea-way, you would be in serious trouble. They are PERFECT however for in-shore costal cruising and gunkholing and can even be used for off-shore passage making and island hopping. But there are far better choices for open ocean blue water cruising. Nor'sea and Pacific Seacraft come to mind..
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« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2005, 07:28:28 pm » |
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My info on Nauset came from a telphone call to them. They provided the California link. I did not take notes or question in detail. See what you can find out.
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« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2005, 07:52:48 pm » |
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You have jogged my rapidly failing memory...I seem to remember something about Nauset Marine having the molds for a while..I think Parker and Hopkins were in on it, but whether they ever built a boat there...I'll see what I can find out.
Do you know if the guy who bought the molds and tooling still has any of it? A moot point, really. They will never be made again and anything that breaks can be fabricated without factory support. I wonder if there are any salvage keel assemblies (or new keels!) tucked away..
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« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2005, 10:43:32 pm » |
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I tossed the guys name a few years back and have no other notes. I've tried a few other avenues to jog my memory, with no results.
The gent who sold the PD to him no longer has a listed number. I would not be surprised to find that he has died by now.
I'll track down the local Venture Fleet to see if anyone knows where he is. We started with a Venture 25 on San Francisco Bay. WAY OVERPOWERED even with good sails, reefing down and having a mid-boom main sheet. Our present boat is a Flicka 20 and is much more comfortable on the bay.
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« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2005, 07:56:21 am » |
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The snow has finally melted off our Venture 21 parked on the front lawn of our Cape Cod house..I Have contacted both Rumery & Nauset Boat Yards asking for any information they might have. I'll post the replys back here..
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« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2005, 09:19:31 pm » |
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Hello, I have never posted to a list before so sorry for butting in. It is great to see this site. My father William Alland started the Midship 25 company in Westminster Ca. however he was forced to sellout in 72 or so to Jerry Henderson of Avon who insisted on moving the whole opperation to Las Vegas and my Dad went as part of the deal. I worked at the plant in Las Vegas in 74/75 and performed sailing demos on Lake Mead. By 76 or 77 Bill was out of the picture. I remember the 75 boat show season and trailering the boat to all the shows along the eastern seaboard and gulf coast. We marked direct to the public and took inquiries from potential dealers. We even had Bob Lengal who single-handed a Midship in the race (can't remember the name) accross the Atlantic. Anyway, more history upon request  Thanks for keeping a memory alive. John Alland johnall@egr.up.edu
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« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2005, 06:36:02 am » |
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Welcome aboard John! Please let us know all the details you can remember! Production history, production locations, total number produced, how many boats did Henry Parker produce, did Nauset Marine on Cape Cod ever build any, all the trivia!
Also, did the first boats built in Westminister, CA have hull numbers? What year was the FIRST Midship 25 produced?
Again welecome aboard and feel free to join in!
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« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2005, 07:59:05 am » |
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Thanks so much for jumping in. In case you haven't noticed there are a quite a few of us that are in love with these boats. It must be interesting to see the fruits of your labor and that of your father all these years later. Thank you!
I would love to see someone do an article on the boat for Good Old Boat. This boat is not only unique in having a center cockpit it is quite seaworthy.
Welcome aboard!
Bob Dubuque
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« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2005, 07:20:49 am » |
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A few questions ... For Bob: A couple of things on the fixed/swing keel. quote: If the keel mechanism failed in a sea-way, you would be in serious trouble.
Being a shallow water/shore device, the keel mechanism wouldn't normally be worked at sea. To a certain extent, it is also a 'fail-safe' device in that the thing most likely to break is the cable/retracting mechanism. In this case the keel would simply extend. One thing that is interesting about the fixed/swing issue is performance. I read many who speak of the Midships being very slow but my experience has been different, perhaps due to the fixed keel. Slow Ride holds her own quite well under most conditions, excepting in light air. My insistence on keeping it simple is part of the reason for poor light air performance - I have only a 125% jib. In anything over about 7kts wind speed however, she does quite well. She outpoints most boats her size (extensive testing against an old model Cal 27 and several Catalina 25's, all well sailed). The more modern boats seem to reach a little better but that also might be due to my very old and rather small choice of sails. quote: Bob Lengyel) who had beefed up the rigging and used a fixed keel
Do you have more information on Prodigal? My (possibly failing) memory was that Prodigal was a swing keel boat. I have somewhere an article torn from one of the sailing mags about the 1976 Observer Single-handed Trans Atlantic Race (OSTAR) race. I remember being puzzled by the choice of a swing keel for a trans Atlantic boat. As I remembered, he towed it to the East Coast, sailed to England (thereby being able to qualify for the OSTAR), then racing back. An ugly season, remembered for bad storms during the race. The Midships and Dawsons were very well built, having hand laid roving hulls as opposed to the matt and/or chopper gun construction of cheaper boats. After over 30 years of a very hard life, Slow Ride's hull is still quite strong and sound. quote: The price had ballooned to over $25,000
quote: gained a foot of hull length
I have (again, somewhere) a 1975 price list and a 1976 Dawson color brochure. In 1975, the (fully equipped but no trailer) price was right around $25,000.00. This was very close to the price a friend paid for a Schrock Santana 25 (a quite pricey MORC rule beater). In 1976, Dawson (apparently still in Vegas due to the Lake Mead photos) had dubbed the boat a 26 footer. At 25' 7" we could average up since she is an inch over half foot ;-) http://www.blackflute.com/sailing/srspecs.htmlSlow Ride is either a 25 or a 26 depending upon who I am talking to ... when telling war stories at the bar, she is of course a 26. When talking with a dockmaster, she is a 25 (saving $1.50 - $2.00 for my transient dockage fees) lol And for John: quote: more history upon request
Thank you for your input! I for one would be very keen for more first-hand information.
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« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2005, 08:34:23 am » |
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"Being a shallow water/shore device, the keel mechanism wouldn't normally be worked at sea. To a certain extent, it is also a 'fail-safe' device in that the thing most likely to break is the cable/retracting mechanism. In this case the keel would simply extend."
From experience, if/when the keel cable breaks in rough water, the pitching and rolling of the hull causes it to swing back and forth, slamming into the forward end of the centerboard trunk with great force, threatening the integrity of the hull itself. The locking pin reduces this danger, but only if it's used. On any boat at sea, if something CAN move, it WILL move. Having 1100 pounds of cast iron flopping around under your boat 100 miles off-shore is not a good feeling....
The majority of these boats were built in Las Vegas, 1972-1974. They all carried nameplates that said "Midship 25".
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« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2005, 09:06:49 am » |
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My exerience with the keel banging in heavy weather was very disconcerting, it felt like the boat could be severly compromised with a very few number of bangs. I now have my keel pin and or tension on the cable at all times.
If I decide to cross an ocean it will probably be in a different boat. I think the Bahamas and the Sea of Cortez will be enough of a challenge for me.
Bob
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« Reply #13 on: May 28, 2005, 09:40:36 am » |
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Hello, i sent this to blackflute thought I would send it here too.
I have some news, I found one of my Fathers Midship 25 files. Unfortunately it is very small and limited to promotional materials and a few photos. A complete list below: Midship25 original sales brochure dated May 1973 Westminster California original B/W photo of the proto type sailing in LA area original photo of the 1st plug (deck and hull) small original color photo of sailing LA area original BW of 1st hull and deck pulled from the 1st mold original "Midship-Chance Formula 18" brochure (1/4 ton racer never built) original blue paper with black line drawing of Midship ketch rig with specifications. original BW line drawing showing cabin layout. original BW photo of promo artwork (photo of a painting) at anchor Original BW photo of line drawing at anchor with camper to up. original BW photo of Bill Alland with 1st production hull/deck assy. 2 original BW photos of boat with camper raised. (inside and out) original BW photo of a fixed keel boat in a sling. Bob Lengyel original BW paper back book size, 8 page short story "Story of the Windship Prodigal" with pictures. Produced by Dawson Yacht in Las Vegas 1976 (I went with my Father on the boat show circuit in 1976 Bob L. was at a couple of the shows with his boat and we handed out these booklets) original BW photo signed by Bob L with Bill Alland on July 25 1976 (photo of Bill and Bob) original BW photo of Bob L. Boat coming in to shore. original color flyer for the Dawson 26 single sided 5"x11" original BW photo copy of the Midship-Chance 1/4 ton with specifications original (ragged) Dawson 26 brochure dated 1976 (color) original magazine The Small Boat Journal Nov. 1980 review Parker/Dawson 26
Well that's all I can find for now... There may be more, I'll keep looking. I am more than willing to share with you all of this info so ?? Best way?? Just thought I would give you a little more history about William Alland, I graduated high school in 1974 and was directly involved with Dawson in 75 and 76 working for the company and attending UNLV. My Father loved boats and I grew up sailing since I was two. From 1950 -1966 Bill was a movie producer.... (check it out on Google). In the late 60's he owned a Chris Craft 35' motor sailor, with a mid ship cockpit..... this is when the idea for a small trailerable boat first took shape. Gotta go more later. Thanks again for keeping alive one of Bills dreams. John Alland
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« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2005, 08:53:12 pm » |
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Great stuff, thanks for digging it out. Talk to our ADMIN at webmaster@parkderdawson.com about the best way to share. Steve
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