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« on: September 30, 2005, 06:26:56 pm »
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Dear All,

I just purchased a Parker/Dawson that was damaged in the hurricane.

The rudder snapped off about a foot or more and I'm not sure what to do.  Should I try and repair it or fabricate a complete new one?

Anyone that has the exac specs for the rudder would be helpful as well.

Thanks in advance,

Dan Restis

 
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« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2005, 01:00:40 pm »
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I was out this weekend sailing with a woodworking friend and was discussing changing the rudder on the boat.  The cage seems to be a weak point on the boat and I personally don't like the feel of the tiller via cable to the rudder.  The Norsea 27 aft cockpit model ( http://www.norseayachts.com/ns27photo3.php )has a very simple solution of bringing the tiller over the rear cabin.  The backstay would have to be split and maybe the mainsheet moved but other than that you would have direct access to the rudder.  I know you have a wheel on your boat (and a Doyle Stack Pak, which I hope survived the storm) and I still think the idea is worth consideration.

I would be interested in others ideas on the topic.

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« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2005, 01:05:37 pm »
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Another thought.  My friend built a rudder for another person here in town and a tiller for me. I'm sure he could build you one, using my rudder as the prototype. I have no idea of the cost.  You would have to contact him directly.    Mac @ Sutherland Woodworking 641-472-7717.
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« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2005, 10:20:20 pm »
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You purchased a good boat.  Compared to other boats, the structure of the PD rudder may be a good bit simpler.  Take a look at what the remaining piece looks like.  Since a good bit of the functional strength of the rudder comes from the cage in which it sits, you may find that the rudder itself is just a foam filled shell.  Anyone know the answer ?

Bob's offer sounds pretty good if a local shop can't patch it for you.  

Good Sailing !!

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« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2005, 09:09:46 am »
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Thanks guys!

Can you tell me how long the rudder is exactly.... since mine is snapped off I don't know how long it was!

Thanks again!

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« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2005, 10:07:55 pm »
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I believe all of the early Dawsons were built with one Morse "steering" cable from the wheel to the rudder.  Some time later, and it may have been when the boat became Parker Dawson, two Morse "steering" cables were added.  When there was one cable, the wheel pushed the rudder in one direction and pulled it in the other direction.  I have the two cable setup on my PD where the rudder is both pushed and pulled no matter which direction the wheel is turned.  This gives a very positive feel to the steering and I have never had second thoughts about the rudder controls.   LL

 
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« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2005, 06:51:13 pm »
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I'm not where I can measure my rudder, but they are between 5 & 6 feet long. The rudder height can be adjusted in the basket with a pin. Mine has 3 positions. The original rudders have a foam core with 2 lengths of re-bar (!) running top to bottom. I have seen some nice replacements made from wood. Any good metal-working shop can rebuild, reinforce and restore the aluminum basket.

 
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« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2005, 08:15:12 pm »
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Steering system !  Talk to the folks at Edson.  When I first got interested in the boat, I actually visited the Edson factory in Massachusetts.  They had the documentation for the system, and at that time still could provide parts.  That was at least 10 years ago however.

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« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2005, 07:23:48 pm »
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I was sailing yesterday and meant to measure my rudder for you and forgot.  I may go tomorrow and will try and remember.  

I had some rudder excitement yesterday.  It was blowing 15-20, gusting to 25 when all of a sudden I lost all rudder control.  Fortunatley I had installed a new push/pull cable and knew exactly how and where all the fittings were attached.  As it turns out the cable attachment on the transom had come completely off.  I had used lock washers but not nylock nuts, NICE.  

The solution was quite straightforward due to a modification I made to my boat when I first got it.  I cut out as large a rectangle as I could  out of the rear panel in the aft cabin and covered it with a 1/4" piece of luan plywood (stained on the wrong side it looks almost like the teak panels that hold the lights. It sides up into the top and only needs 2 screws to hold it in place.  This gives me easy access to the rudder bracket as it enters the transom.  I plan on making an emergency tiller to attach inside the cabin.  (An inside steering station can't be all bad.)  Without this I can't imagine how I would have been able to make the repair on the water in a blow.

I had tools and a decent selection of stainless nuts and bolts (whenever you buy anything always buy 3-4 extras, a hint from a friend who circumnavigated in a 23' Zodiac) and was able to be back sailing in about 20 minutes.  I was alone and put duct tape over the bolt heads on the outside of the transom and put new non nylock nuts on and was able to get 3 of the four tight.  If I had someone to hold the nuts outside I would have been able to get the nylocks on.

I still hate the whole cable thing and am going to try and put a NorSea like tiller on this winter. The tiller could be attached to the rudder scabbard or the rudder could be mounted directly to the transom.  Here are a few pictures to give you the idea.

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I might be a Norsea wannabe at heart.

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« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2005, 07:26:37 pm »
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One last thing about the panel in the aft cabin.  I it holds an amazing amount of stuff.  I have all of my old standing rigging and a harness for going up the mast.  It would hold a danforth anchor, no problem.
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