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« on: February 26, 2003, 07:43:34 pm »
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I am curious what others are planning for upgrades this year.  My list is rather extensive (or should I say expensive).

1.  Replace the pressurized alcohol stove (currently needs rebuild) with a non pressurized Origio 4000 with fiddles.

2.  Remove the forward head (I want the storage space).  My sailing area is stricly no dumping and I don't want to add a holding tank this year.  I will remove it so that I can put it back if I so desire.  We used the porta potti only last year with no problems.  I will carry a spare holding tank for the potti.

3.  Add a pedestal guard as a hand hold and a place to mount instruments.

4.  Add a Garmin 182C plotter on the Pedestal Guard.

5.  Considering a JRC 1500 Radar (Depending on budget after rest of projects.  Would be real nice up here in the fog).

6.  Will install an outboard motor mount on the transom to carry the dinghy motor and as a backup to the Yanmar should I ever have problems.

7.  Rebuild the starter on the Yanmar.  Currently takes several turns of the key before it will engage.

8.  Install a Jib downhaul so that the Genny can be lowered without running up to the foredeck.

9.  New Mainsail with Lazyjacks and zippered boom mounted sail cover.

10.  New 150% Genny.

11.  Whisker pole for the Genny for downwind sailing.

12.  Install red LED lighting in the cockpit cubbies for nighttime chart reading in the cockpit.

That should just about break the bank for this year.

Next year I hope to:

1  Add a Radar/Cockpit arch over the aft cabin.

2.  Add a Split Bimini with side curtains to make a cockpit enclosure.

3.  Radar if don't do it this year.

4.  Wind instrumentation.

5.  Inverter.

6.  A trailer.

I better stop.  Wife is looking over the shoulder.  What are others planning to do?

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« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2003, 01:56:04 am »
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I think I was thinking of doing most of the upgrades you listed there also. But also

1. WindGenerator & Solar Panels
2. Possibly an electric motor, I am still checking out the pros and cons on it.
3. Watermaker
4. Replaceing the hatchs with the originals.
5. Adding some railing and new lifelines
6. MP3 Sound system. Smiley

 
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« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2003, 09:48:26 pm »
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I am curious what others are planning for upgrades this year.  My list is rather extensive (or should I say expensive).

1.  Replace the pressurized alcohol stove (currently needs rebuild) with a non pressurized Origio 4000 with fiddles.

2.  Remove the forward head (I want the storage space).  My sailing area is stricly no dumping and I don't want to add a holding tank this year.  I will remove it so that I can put it back if I so desire.  We used the porta potti only last year with no problems.  I will carry a spare holding tank for the potti.

3.  Add a pedestal guard as a hand hold and a place to mount instruments.

4.  Add a Garmin 182C plotter on the Pedestal Guard.

5.  Considering a JRC 1500 Radar (Depending on budget after rest of projects.  Would be real nice up here in the fog).

6.  Will install an outboard motor mount on the transom to carry the dinghy motor and as a backup to the Yanmar should I ever have problems.

7.  Rebuild the starter on the Yanmar.  Currently takes several turns of the key before it will engage.

8.  Install a Jib downhaul so that the Genny can be lowered without running up to the foredeck.

9.  New Mainsail with Lazyjacks and zippered boom mounted sail cover.

10.  New 150% Genny.

11.  Whisker pole for the Genny for downwind sailing.

12.  Install red LED lighting in the cockpit cubbies for nighttime chart reading in the cockpit.

That should just about break the bank for this year.

Next year I hope to:

1  Add a Radar/Cockpit arch over the aft cabin.

2.  Add a Split Bimini with side curtains to make a cockpit enclosure.

3.  Radar if don't do it this year.

4.  Wind instrumentation.

5.  Inverter.

6.  A trailer.

I better stop.  Wife is looking over the shoulder.  What are others planning to do?

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« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2003, 09:56:28 pm »
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Holy Cow!  You guys are really ambitious!!!  I am just trying to keep everything operating on my boat. (Hull #310) The one modification I have made that has worked out fantastic (and I recommend to ever PD owner) is the addition of an electric winch to raise and lower the keel.  There is a winch you can buy that fits in the same spot of the manual gearbox.  I have a three position toggle switch on the instrument panel.  In shallow water, just reach over and hit the switch and keel comes up faster than it can be cranked up.  Want more keel, just flip the switch down.  I think this whole thing cost me about $250 - $300 and would recoommend it to everyone.  One other question, is there a zinc located on the boat? like on the keel?  My prop shaft does not have one and am wondering if one is on the keel or if one is needed?  LL

 
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« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2003, 09:45:42 am »
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How do u know when the keel is fully up and down with the electric winch ? do you just do it manualy or have something electricly hooked to it?

I am not sure if there is already a zinc. But I put one on the prop shaft for now.

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« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2003, 08:24:46 pm »
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Very good question about the location of the keel.  I would like to have something hi-tech but do not.  When the boat is on the trailer, the keel cable is fully wound on the spool, so I took some red paint and painted about 6 inches of red on the cable in the fully up position.  I have been meaning to paint the cable blue when the keel is all the way down and green or yellow at the mid point.  Right now I just have the red.  I know when full down is because the cable goes slack. Just guess at the midpoint for now.  When I put the winch on, I used the original cable.  While still playing with it on the trailer, I was winding up the cable on the spool and all of a sudden the electric motor started to grunt and then there was a loud bang.  I could't believe it but the winch had snapped that 5/16 cable.  After fooling with that manual gear box for a couple of summers I decided I would come up with an electric winch.  Before I got serious about it, the main gear in the gear box broke and then I couldnt get the keel up or down.  Anyway, that event made the electric winch #1 project.    LL   PS: To answer your question, the person sailing with me flips up the wooden winch cover to observe the cable color.

 
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« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2003, 02:36:20 pm »
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Very interesting mod with the electrical winch.  I would love to see pictures of the install and the finish around where the manual winch was.
I would be concerned not knowing where the keel was though.  Everything that I have read regarding the winch has warned against over tightening the cable and possible damage as a consequence.  My other concern would be a way of manually raising the keel in the event of an electrical failure.  Can you raise it manually?
The Seaward line of Sailboats comes from the manufacturer with an electrical winch.  They have a 32 ft trailerable called the Seaward Eagle and it has the electrical winch as well.

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« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2003, 07:25:01 pm »
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You guys are ambitious with all the upgrades. I look forward to the time when I can talk about "upgrades." For now, I call it refitting.

? I added a 6 gallon holding tank for the marine head (the head is located beneath the step into the aft cabin). The head discharges into  the holding tank, installed in the port cockpit locker, and there's a Y fitting after a manual macerator pump so I can pump out the tank through a large thru-hull or the tank can be pumped out at a pump-out station.
? Also in the port locker, I installed a new 15 gallon fuel tank.
Even with the holding tank, fuel tank, and two batteries in that locker, there's room for plenty of gear. I can even climb into the locker to work on the plumbing, if necessary.
? The Yanmar was removed, rebored, rebuilt, remounted and realigned.
? I rebuilt some of the interior bulkheads that had started to show rot where the previous owner left standing water in the bilges over a number of winters. I painted all the bilges and interior storage compartments.
? Now I'm going to rewire most everything, replumb the pressurized water system, and size-up the alchohol stove to see what that may need (hopefully, just a cleaning, but maybe replacement).
? After all this, I'll redo alot of the standing rigging (especially putting toggles on both ends of the turnbuckles instead of the single toggle system that's there now.
? Now that the weather in NH is warming, I plan to remove most of the deck hardware and rebed it, or replace it. I am right now replacing the combing boxes in the cockpit (beneath each of the jib winches). The original units look like they've never been removed and like they're leaking below decks. I'm using premade ABS plastic units from West Marine that will require just a slightly larger opening.
? I've also had the keel removed, sand blasted, and re-epoxy coated.
I commented on this here earlier this year. The yard is waiting to reinstall it until I've had the winch reconditioned by a local Boston Gear distributor who seems to have it very low on his "to-do" list. I expect the yard will lose patience and I'll have them reinstall the keel and then have to connect the winch and cable.

A few comments and questions for you experienced Parker Dawson owners:

? Is it me, or is it difficult to get access to a lot of the "system components" on this boat? Like the deck mounted hardware...without cutting the interior liner...like the wiring and fresh water lines, which are snaked everywhere around the keel well and behind the liner.
? Any alternatives to the hinged lift-up hatches on the fore and aft companionways?
? How many of you have your electrical system grounded back to the negative post on the battery? Is there a practical ground point elsewhere on the boat? Or, are most systems grounded to a hull plate?
? Any comments or insights about the single cable steering system that was common on these craft until about 1980? My boat is a 1978.

My ambitious project was suppose to be ongoing all winter...the boat was stored inside a shed for this purpose at extra expense...but the cold winter ended those plans. (It's hard to calk when the temperature is 5 degrees.) Anyway, I plan to go in earnest now, but the overwhelming number of projects is daunting (call me a perfectionist).
If it all gets done, the boat will be rechristened "Dauntless." Then I plan to sail it...eventually along the intercoastal waterway and on to the Bahamas. I look forward to words of encouragement as I keep you posted on my progress.


 
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« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2003, 10:15:43 pm »
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Most of my cables I can get to pretty easly and also my water is pretty easy to get at.

On my boat theres a 2 part hatch way where it folds over. I can take some pics if u would like. My aft hatch just slides back instead of being on hinges.

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« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2003, 10:44:29 pm »
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Parker,

I am curious about the approximate cost to have the yanmar rebuilt, if you don't mind saying.

If possible I would love to see a pic of your marine head.  I have a porta potti under the step in the aft cabin.  It sits on the shroud which covers the tranny.  

I am having to replace all my standing rigging.  The starboard inner side stay snapped last October on my last sail in Buzzards Bay.  This stay looked fine but it snapped level with the top of the turnbuckle.  I don't trust any of them now.

I am on the south shore in MA and like you have been waiting on the weather.  It is just now getting to the point to where I can begin work.

My electrical system is grounded to the batteries.

You mentioned the ICW trip.  My wife, daughter and I will be departing Westport Harbor sometime late June or early July and will go to Fort Pierce, FL.  We plan to go through Long Island sound, thru New York and then hug the coast until Cheseapeak where we pick up the ICW and continue onward.  I am moving to FL this summer and taking the time off to sail the boat down instead of trailering it.



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« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2003, 09:36:31 pm »
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My boat is totally stock as far as the way everthing is located.  If I can get my buddy over with his digital camera I can post some photos of the forward head, portapotti, electric winch etc.  The boat is still covered so it will be a while.

There are a number of grounds on the boat.  Keel housing, ground plate on underside of hull and motor.  Those are the ones I know of.  Does anyone have zincs on their boat and where are they located?

The previous owner ran the original Yanmar out of oil and replaced it with a new 1GM10 Yanmar. (9hp single cylinder)  It cost him $5000 for this refit.  The new Yanmar is about 4 inches taller than the original.  This creates a clearance problem with the engine hatch.  The engine hatch cover had to be boxed in and raised about 4 inches.  The rebuilt hatch and cover is really nicer than the original as when you stand on it, your field of view in front of the boat is better.

Dan, Funny you mention your broken stay.  I had the exact same stay break on mine (in the same location at the turnbuckle.)  At the time I just replaced the one and a local dealer did it for over $50.00,,,ouch.  I found a guy in California who came highly recommended and I think he quoted me on $31 for the lowers and $50 for the uppers (all without turnbuckles).  His name is Jerry Montgomery and his web site is http://www.innercite.com/~jmbn/. If you find a better place let me know.

I love all the comments on sailing the ICW and to the Bahammas.  I am planning on taking my boat south this fall via the river network from Chicago.  Never have sailed in the Ocean and it sounds so adventurous.  Would love to sail to the Bahammas in a group with other trailer sailors.  There is a group that just left Florida last week and are now over there enjoying life.

To the Yanmar owners, is your alternator 35amp?  Mine is 35 amp and has a tough time keeping up with cruising requirements.  I believe the original ratio was 1.4? to 1 and I never motored the engine fast enough to do any serious charging.  I changed driven pulleys so now my ratio is just under 2:1.  This has helped, however this spring I am going to try and adapt a 100 amp Delco.  Last summer I had two deep cycle batts and a car batt for starting.  It is nice having all that electrical power, however, the alt has a tough time charging everything up after you have used it for a couple of days.  If any of you are Great Lakes sailors, it would be fun to meet up with you for some fantastic cruising in the North Channel. (North end of Lake Huron).

My new upgrade for this year is a big screen Mapping GPS made by Lorance.  Does anyone have GPS softwear for their GPS.  I also, have a Garmin Mapping 76 which I bought first.  Naturally, immediately after I had bought that one I got the Lorance at a super bargin price.

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Somewhere I have the history of the Midship/Dawson which I will post here as soon as I find it!   LL

 
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« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2003, 10:16:52 pm »
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Lowell,

Stays in this area run about $100 to $120 for the uppers and about $80 for the lowers, but that does include the turnbuckles.

In regards to charging.  I have a 35 amp alternator which seems to do fine for us, but I have to motor about 5 miles down river before raising the sails, so I get an hour or so before and after each trip with the motor running.  I am using two 95 amp deep cycle batteries and carry and jump start pack as a backup.

In regards to trailer sailers to the Bahamas, check out this web site:  http://hcgiles.home.mindspring.com/macflotilla.htm.  



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« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2003, 09:02:11 pm »
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Dan, I could not access the web page regarding trailer sailors and the Bahamas.  Is the address correct or the page just out of action?
Regarding the replacement of stays, I believe the addition of new turnbuckles added $30. per stay.

 
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« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2003, 11:07:42 pm »
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Strange.  I click on it and it doesn't come up, yet it is the correct address and it is in my favorites with the same url.

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« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2003, 11:57:48 am »
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Try this -->

http://hcgiles.home.mindspring.com/macflotilla.htm

Seems the . at the end of the other link was giving it the error.

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