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« on: July 19, 2004, 01:21:49 pm » |
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I just completed a major project that was nearly a year in progress. I had the keel and bracket removed, refinished and reinstalled. The boatyard workers and I encountered a number of problems along the way and, with trial and error, successfully resolved them all. I now have a smooth, fair, rust-free keel that swings up and down easily and securely. I also have a lot of helpful info and tips for anyone doing the same, some of which I wish I knew before I began the project .
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richmarker1
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« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2004, 02:09:30 pm » |
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Tried to email but got an error message. I'm about to purchase a PD26 and when I dove down to check it out, I noticed a "notch" in the keel. It looks intentional but I just found some info on the interet that this is notch is filled with foam to protect from cable/winch failure. The cable has been recently replaced and I'm guessing this is what has happened. Is there anything else I should look for?
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« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2004, 02:10:41 pm » |
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Besides the obvious things like a lot of rust on the keel, make sure the turning block just aft of the winch is working properly. It carries all of the load when raising from the fully down position. Mine was worn and bound-up, which made raising the keel impossible. I sent it out to be reconditioned and now it works great. Another item to look at is the winch. If it is the original, it is a Boston Gear worm gear winch, self-lubriicating. Make sure it doesn't show signs of leaking oil. I suggest that you confirm in one way or another that all the apparatus for the keel works well. I sent my winch to a Boston Gear service rep for reconditioning, grit blasted the keel and re-epoxied and repainted it, and reinstalled it all with a new cable. Incidentally, the outfit I sent the winch to here in New Hampshire cataloged it, assigned a new serial number, and warranteed their work. All for $150. The best buy I've made in this whole project to date. Check my profile. I've updated my e-mail address.
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« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2004, 05:09:45 pm » |
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Hello, I almost began the keel restoration job this summer but decided to put it off till next year. I had the swing keel off of another sail boat and intended to do this one the same way. My plan is to jack up the trailer and set it on blocks. Remove the front axle, move the mid frame support back and then unbolt and lower the keel on two roll around hydraulic jacks. Any reason why this will not work other than it is a big job? Any suggestions for the keel restoration job. Don't want to do this a second time so I planned on putting 2 coats of epoxy primer on, along with enamel and antifouling paint. Any suggestions are appreciated.
Incidently, my Boston Gear winch fractured a gear in a critical situation and I ran aground. I could not get a replacement gear from Boston so bought an electric winch that fits nicely in place of the Boston winch. This has been the best modification to my boat. I have a toggle switch in the cockpit instrument panel and a flick of the finger raises or lowers the winch at a faster rate than by hand. The winch cost about $220 I think and installed it myself.
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« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2004, 07:43:23 pm » |
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I don't know about disassembling your trailer, or exactly what you intend to do then. You'll certainly need to be sure you have room to drop the whole assembly and remove it. Besides the PD26, I have a Balboa 20 with a 450 lb. swing keel and removed it in something of the manner you describe. That was difficult enough. Managing an 1100 lb. keel without a lift will be tricky, at least. We used the travel lift at the yard. You'll save a lot of money, and in hindsight I can't imagine doing it otherwise. We lifted the boat off the trailer, set it a few inches off the ground, and built a cradle around the part of the keel exposed beneath the hull.We unbolted the keel bracket from inside and lifted the boat off the keel. The keel was a little wobbly in the cradle until we built it further up the sides of the now completely exposed keel. We used a fork lift to pick-up the keel in its cradle. Removed from the bracket, the yard grit blasted the keel and hung it from an A-frame in a shed where I could re-epoxy and paint it. The biggest advantage to the using the lift was reinstalling the keel. With the bracket reinstalled on the keel, we set the keel in the cradle again and lowered the boat onto the keel until it the bracket was flush up against the top of the trunk and the bolt holes lined up. You have to lower the boat onto the keel to reinstall. Don't try to jack or lift the keel up into the boat. The bracket gets pretty snup at the top of the trunk and you'll just get it hung up and start lifting the boat along with it. Use the weight of the boat to coax the keel and bracket back up into place. Note that when reinstalling, you'll have to be able to move the boat and keel fore and aft in addition to up and down, in order to line up the bolt holes. After blasting, my keel was very fair. (The yard said it looked excellent compared to most of its age.) At the suggestion of the yard, they treated it with West Marine Rust Lock as soon as it was blasted clean to inhibit any rusting before I got to work on it. Over that, I put two coats of West epoxy, a coat of hard bottom paint as a primer, and three coats of ablative bottom paint. I use a different color for the primer so I can see when its time to repaint. I had a lot of touch up to do after reinstalling it. Here's another reason to use a yard lift if you can. After reinstalling it, they left the boat up in the air for me for a few hours so I could test the system by raising and lowering the keel to be sure it all worked smoothly, and I could touch up the scratches and scrapes on the lowered keel. Another suggestion is to spend a few dollars and replace all the bolts with new, and when the keel is in the fully lowered position, you can reach up and add nuts to the ends of four of the aft bolts where they extend through the bracket, for extra peace of mind. Be sure to replace the bolts with exactly the same length in the same position (there's two lengths of carriage bolts and one length of machine screws) or else they'll catch the top of the keel when it goes up and down. There's no clearance for error. One set of four bolts is an odd length and not available from any of the usual chandleries. I found them at the Fastner Warehouse in Newington, NH. They're very knowledgable about marine stainless and I'm confident I got the best type stainless for the application. All the new bolts, screws and washers in type 316 stainless cost me about $5. You can't go wrong. I'm curious. Did you run aground and that broke a gear in the winch? Or did the gear break and cause the keel to drop and therefore you ran aground?
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« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2004, 10:24:08 am » |
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Thanks for the information. I think my winch has been moved and I also have a large slotted screw in front of the winch. Is this the "keel locking device"? I would really appreciate it if anybody could email me some pictures of the indside of the cabin showing the keel winch and the quarter birth area. Somebody has cut away the quarter birth to make room for a porta potti or something. I would like to restore it to original if possible. My email is mediastorm@tampabay.rr.com thanks. Rich Marker, S/V Nola
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« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2004, 11:47:43 am » |
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I also need to resurface my rusty keel. I was thinking of doing it myself until reading your post. Seems like something I would need to do in a good boatyard. Unfortunatley at our marina they don't even have a selection of nuts and bolts and their prices for lifting the boat off the trailer are ridiculous.
Hoping to get my boat in the water for the first time this weekend and then haul it to Cape Cod on Tuesday. Wish me luck!
Bob Dubuque
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« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2004, 08:21:51 pm » |
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Broken Winch: We were sailing in the evening and the wind was just beginning to pick up. The keel touched bottom (no big deal) but then when my boy tried to raise the keel, the winch would lock up and make about a half turn in each direction. The wind meanwhile blew us further onto the reef. In hindsight, we would have been all right if I would have had turned into the wind and motored at full power. Each lift of a wave would have lifted the boat and gradually we would have gotten free. What happened now seems unbelievable. The waves washed us right into water less than a foot deep. The boat was heeled over so the side of the cockpit was almost in the water. The wind had picked up and so did the waves. The waves that drove us onto the reef eventually got us off. Each wave would lift the hull and the action of the wave + propellor would move us a few inches each time. Eventually we moved across the reef and got in deeper water. The prop shaft got a torsional crack and the prop was trashed. Had a new SS steel shaft made and got a new prop. Because the keel was basically almost horizontal when we were on the reef, the motion and weight caused the keel to put a small crack in the hull which began to leak a small amout of water. Had the hull repaired with no problem and learned a good lesson in reading the water.
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